Last week, I had a fascinating conversation with Madalyn Gregory discussing Gustav Klimt’s Death and Life. I left that conversation so excited, only to discover that we weren’t done yet. Even after going off the air, we kept talking about it and realized we missed a lot of important things. So we decided to do a follow-up conversation to share even more of our insights with you!

This episode was part of the Art Class Curator before we rebranded to Art and Self.

4:55​ – Awareness of a gender issue from last week and what it says about our conditioning

13:40 – Impact of gender and gender limitations as human-made constructs

16:37 – Diverse racial representation (or lack thereof) in art

24:14 – Importance of authenticity of different perspectives shown in artwork

28:23 – How the patterns in Death and Life resemble quilt work

31:57 – Ruminating over what the circles in Death’s robes symbolize

36:23 – The negative space between Death and Life more effective as black to represent the unknown

This episode was published before we moved the full show notes over to Transcript and full show notes are available at