Today, I’m excited to try a brand new type of episode where I have art conversations with other people and talk about favorite pieces of art, personal connections to art, and what drew us to the world of art. For my first guest, I’ve brought on one of my best friends for the last 10+ years, organizer for all things at Art Class Curator and brilliant writer Madalyn Gregory. In this episode, she’s chosen to discuss Death and Life by Gustav Klimt, an artwork that stopped her in her tracks when she saw it in person in Vienna during one of our curator trips.

This episode was part of the Art Class Curator podcast before we rebranded to Art and Self.

3:09​ – What it felt like for Madalyn seeing the artwork for the first time

6:13 – Describing what Gustav Klimt’s Death and Life looks like

9:34 – The many observations we had while interpreting Death and Life

15:04 – Possible meanings and symbolism behind the skin tone used

24:20 – The loneliness and personality of Death

30:44 – An important lesson for art teachers to realize about their students

32:45 – Why we connected with Death and Life and the messages imparted to us

This episode was published before we moved the full show notes over to Transcript and full show notes are available at